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Yassine Meskhout's avatar

Yes! Graphing disagreements can be a very useful tool. I found myself very frustrated by the Glenn/Destiny debate partly because I find debates over definitions to be tedious, but also because it was obvious how much of the disagreement was purely on where you would draw the 'insurrection' line on the violence scale. Destiny got Glenn to admit that the battle of Fort Sumter should not count as an insurrection (!!) but he really should've done more to probe Glenn's threshold.

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I must say, I find the argument about trans athletes a bit weaselly.

Female sporting events exist because we recognise that female people (regardless of their gender identity) are systematically weaker, slower and less resilient than male people (regardless of their gender identity), but still want female people to experience the pleasure of taking part in sporting events in which success is a possibility. I don't think it's difficult to understand why many female athletes feel cheated or betrayed when a sporting event is created with the explicit purpose of being for female people only, the body governing that event then starts allowing certain male people to compete, and when challenged the body's rebuttal is "oh no, [male athlete] has actually handicapped themselves so much that they're within the normal distribution for female athletes, so no harm done". Even if this is true (and it's a big "if"), it's kind of an irrelevant objection. The sporting event was founded with the explicit purpose of "for female people only", not "for female people and sufficiently handicapped male people" or "for people who identify as women" or "for any sufficiently weak person, regardless of sex".

To continue the analogy to performance-enhancing drugs: in order to accuse an athlete of cheating by using prohibited drugs known to improve performance in sporting events, all you are required to do is provide evidence that they used those drugs. I'm not aware of any requirement that you demonstrate that their performance actually improved as a result of taking those drugs. If Bob loses a swimming race to Joe, and Bob subsequently discovers ironclad evidence that Joe was using PEDs at the time of the race, Bob is well within his rights to point out that Joe broke the rules and should be disqualified. If Joe defended himself by saying that his performance under the PEDs was within the margin of error for his performance without - this is a completely irrelevant defense *even if it's true*. The rule is "don't use these drugs", not "don't use these drugs (unless you can demonstrate that they didn't help you win, in which case knock yourself out)".

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